1. How Far Can An Illegal Driver Good
2. How Far Can An Illegal Driver Go To Play
3. How Far Can An Illegal Driver Goes

I have a question about US regulations:US regulation 395.13 (b) (3) states:'A failing only to have possession of a record of duty status current onthe day of examination and the prior day, but has completed records of duty status up tothat time (previous 6 days), will be given the opportunity to make the duty status record current.' No matter how many times I read this regulation it tells me: if I get pulled over orinto a scale and my logbook isn't up to date, I must be given opportunity to make itup to date.

Scjlyoung in Athens, Tennessee said: Whats the rules on who has to fill out log book and who doesn't. My husband drives straight truck that makes daily runs. He was recently pulled over and was written a ticket for not putting he was not working on Saturday and Sunday.

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I have been told by couple of that he shouldn't have to keep log book. I would appreciate any information on this cause it is an expensive ticket!! Thanks!Drivers need to understand that everybody needs to have some kind of record of hours of service.depending on the scenario you may be exempt (from having the log book at the time of inspection) or NOT exempt. 1pissedoffwife in Whittier, California said: My husband just received a ticket @ the Az border.

He just got his class A licence. Didn't buy a fuel trip permit, so he had to stop at the border to buy one. When they asked for his log book he inicently handed it over not knowing. Well, he had been on vacation for 2 weeks prior to that. Mind you he just got his class A lic. He wasn't aware of the (Az)7 day prior.

He was laid off because of it and now has to find another job. How many points is this on a CA lic.?

Would it be possible for this to be dismissed if he showed proof of his vacation period? Your opinion please.Mam, I understand your frustration. Under law your husband is required to have 7 previous days and his current day in his log book at time of inspection for a total of 8. If your husband handed them a book that did not have at least six previous days properly logged he is in violation and out of service.

He is only allowed an oppurtunity to make his seventh and current day current. In the future since he was on vaction he can fill one page out properly as off duty with total hours of days off. He then can simply write on the page Off Duty from 1-5-09 - whatever time he was off.

WERE YOU ON THE CLOCK? GETTING PAID AS YOU WALK AROUND AND WAITED? IF SO IT COUNTS.

DID YOU GUYS HAVE A SLEEPER? OTHER WISE BOTH YOUR HOURS COUNT AT THE SAME TIME.

IF YOU HAD A SLEEPER you could work that out all another way. Your rider if no sleeper must log time even if hes doing nothing. You can try off duty if no sleeper, don't say in sleeper if you do not have a qualified area and hope for the best when he takes over.

But thats not the way the looks at it. If you were off the clock and not by the truck your free time is yours off duty. Harold Lehmann in Sarnia, Ontario said: I have a question about US regulations:US regulation 395.13 (b) (3) states:'A failing only to have possession of a record of duty status current onthe day of examination and the prior day, but has completed records of duty status up tothat time (previous 6 days), will be given the opportunity to make the duty status record current.' No matter how many times I read this regulation it tells me: if I get pulled over orinto a scale and my logbook isn't up to date, I must be given opportunity to make itup to date.If you keep your log book current you would NOT need the time to catch it up.I have been truck's for 20 years now the last ten otr.I have been pulled into the scales alot of times and NEVER needed to catch up my log's.If you do what you need to do with your log's you will never be harassed with DOT. Some times a makes an honest mistake in the log book,and he/she has signed it is true and correct.He/She gets a ticket.This is just a thought.Why sign the book at all?

After all, you don't have to do,say or sign anything that may incriminate yourself.And if your declaring it as a document,shouldn't it be notorized as such by a some one authorized to do so?Again,just a thought.I never keep a log book as a book,I tear them apart and make them loose pages,that way if I get pulled in for an inspection they can't look at the full book.I keep only the last 14 days and the current day to show them.Never had a problem at a scale doing it that way. It doesnt matter where you drive or where you live your license is a nationally recognized license. All companies must follow the same DOT rules!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your truck weighs over 26,000 lbs. And you travel more than 100 miles as the crow flys from your home base you must use a log book! If your truck weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 lbs.

You can drive 150 miles before needing a log book. And it doesnt matter how much your truck weighs or how far you have traveled, if you drive over 12 hours in one day you must have a log book for that day!!!!! You must always carry the previous 7 days logs with you at all times. The only exceptions that I am aware of are local bulk milk hauling trucks. Harold Lehmann in Sarnia, Ontario said: I have a question about US regulations:US regulation 395.13 (b) (3) states:'A failing only to have possession of a record of duty status current onthe day of examination and the prior day, but has completed records of duty status up tothat time (previous 6 days), will be given the opportunity to make the duty status record current.' No matter how many times I read this regulation it tells me: if I get pulled over orinto a scale and my logbook isn't up to date, I must be given opportunity to make itup to date.Along I certainly set myself for such a DOT sting many times, I never got busted. As I recall and as I understood the quotation you posted, yes, you are allowed to the opportunity to make it up.

The reason is the officer can see from your previous 6 days you have been keeping your log. However, a word to the wise: If you have to really stretch and manipulate time/distance to fill your log to represent where you are at the moment of inspectyou're busted.

Hope this helped. Why keep 14 with you when only 7 are required?

May as well avoidgiving them a chance to ticket you for the extra 7!dan. In Airdrie, Alberta said: Some times a makes an honest mistake in the log book,and he/she has signed it is true and correct.He/She gets a ticket.This is just a thought.Why sign the book at all? After all, you don't have to do,say or sign anything that may incriminate yourself.And if your declaring it as a document,shouldn't it be notorized as such by a some one authorized to do so?Again,just a thought.I never keep a log book as a book,I tear them apart and make them loose pages,that way if I get pulled in for an inspection they can't look at the full book.I keep only the last 14 days and the current day to show them.Never had a problem at a scale doing it that way. You should always use loose leaf log pages. And I wouldnt keep more than the last 7 days. If they are in the book they can ticket you on them even if longer than seven days.

And dont ever use the back side of a log sheet for your pre or post trip inspections, They should always be a seperate book. Pre trip books only have to be kept for 6 months, then you can throw them out. Logs must be kept 3 years. If you use the ones on the back of the log book sheets, they can go back 3 years on pre trips and fine you accordingly. I say never give them more than what they absolutely ask for.

Several weeks ago we asked you to share your thoughts on non-conforming clubs from major manufacturers.The feedback was, to a large extent, about what we expected.Sufficed to say that some of you have no issues with non-conforming clubs. You view them as a means to make the game more accessible. Non-conforming clubs could break down barriers by making the game less frustrating and more fun.For others, non-conforming clubs are the devil’s tools. If you so much as pick one up, even if you’re by yourself and never enter a score, you are a cheater. Sew a scarlet ‘ NC‘ on your sweater.

You’re branded for life.In reality, we don’t really know what promises non-conforming clubs could deliver on. Is it 10 more yards with the driver? What about accuracy? Would non-conforming clubs allow us to hit more fairways, attack more pins, and play 18 holes in 3 hours or less and get you home in time to take your son to lacrosse practice? The difficulty of the game is a tremendous barrier, and if non-conforming clubs can overcome some of that, is that really such a bad thing? Constant frustration is not fun. For many, non-conforming clubs have the potential to take the game from totally impossible to challenging.

That’s not the same as making it easy. We don’t all progress and improve at the same rate.Why shouldn’t we view non-conforming clubs as a gateway to the game; one that offers the potential for beginning and recreational golfers to eventually grow into conforming equipment?

If we think of non-conforming clubs in the same way that we think about training wheels for our kids’ bikes (they help them get over the fear while offering greater potential for rapid improvement), we might attract new golfers.I know what you’re going to say. Golf is hard. It’s supposed to be, and those looking for the easy way probably won’t stick around anyway. You might be right.

Question 2: GrowthThis question is representative of much of what’s wrong with aspects of the current grow golf movement. Basically it’s guys like us (avid golfers) speculating on what it will take to bring new golfers to the game. At the risk of redundancy, golf is hard. Whether making it easier, and by extension, more fun (via equipment) will bring new players to the game continues to be a subject of much debate.As you can see, there’s relatively even split among our readers. While I do believe there’s some growth potential in non-conformity, golf is still expensive, slow (it takes a long time, and it’s not packed full of action), and far too often assumptions about elitism manifest themselves in reality. Golf is a tough sell right now, and it’s unlikely being able to hit the ball longer and straighter is enough to overcome the other perceived issues with the game. Question 3: Rounds Played14.37% isn’t a huge number, but I’d absolutely love to hear more from those of you who said you would play more if non-conforming clubs were available.

Is it because non-conforming clubs could make the game less frustrating? Is it because you believe it would make rounds take less time? If we’re having more fun, and taking less time away from other things to do it, would we play more golf? Some apparently think so. Question 4: LimitationsThis, to me anyway, is perhaps the most fascinating question in our survey. You can count me among the 67.72% who think non-conforming clubs are fine for recreational play.

If a guy is out on the course by himself, with his kid, or with a group of like-minded buddies, what’s the big deal? He’s not competing in tournaments, and he’s not taking my money.I remain baffled by the 23.15% of you who apparently believe you’re cheating – even when you’re not actually playing (you play for fun and you don’t keep a handicap).I was in Target the other day wandering through the sporting goods isle when I noticed a dozen different footballs. None was NFL legal.

Most probably weren’t college legal either. Some were smaller and some had added surface textures to make the ball easier to grip. I doubt many people have a problem with this.By the same token, the Tour de France has also sorts of rules that govern the bicycles that competitors use during the event.

That’s cool for competition, but if two weeks after the event I want to take my chances on the course riding a Huffy dirt bike, through the streets of Le Mans, have I cheated or have I simply gone for a bike ride on a road that can be used for competition?It boggles my mind that some can’t see of golf as anything other than a competitive pursuit. Why can’t golf be played simply for fun with no rules governing play (because play is fun) or the equipment used?

Question 5: UsageMaybe the answer to my previous question can be found in the answers to this question.4.67% say they would use non-conforming clubs to gain a competitive advantage. Hopefully those guys simply misunderstood my meaning. Look, we all know that some people cheat at golf, so I suppose it’s reasonable to think that some people would try and use non-conforming clubs for competitive play, but is that reason alone to say that major manufactures shouldn’t produce them?If a guy is going to cheat, he’s going to cheat. He’ll kick and roll his way to a better lie. He’ll drop a pocket ball.

He’ll shave a stroke or two (except when it’s more beneficial to add a stroke or two). He’s going to do what he’s going to do. Simply put, some people have integrity, some people don’t. Non-conforming clubs won’t change that either way.I’m in that 33.25% that says maybe. If non-conforming is 10 yardsprobably not. If it’s 50hell yes, I’m going to have some just for fun clubs, and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Question 6: Your Dollars at WorkAnd in this lies the rub for manufacturers considering releasing non-conforming club lines.

While 71.94% say the availability of non-conforming clubs from a given manufacturer wouldn’t influence your conforming club purchasing decisions, nearly 20% of you told us that you’d actually be less likely to purchase conforming gear from a manufacturer that also produces non-conforming clubs.For a golf company, that’s a dangerous percentage. How many new customers will you reach vs. How many potential customers could you lose?

At a minimum it would be a gamble for any company that chooses to make the leap, and given how risk averse the golf equipment industry is as a whole, it’s unlikely any brand of repute has the stones to go for it any time in the immediate future. Question 7: PermissionAs we were putting together this survey, I couldn’t help but think that the biggest issue holding back widespread availability of non-conforming clubs might be permission from those we admire. Would we feel differently about non-conforming clubs if Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Jack Nicklaus, Tiger Woods, or Rory McIlroy told us to go out, play golf, and use whatever equipment (conforming or otherwise) that allows us to have the most fun?Apparently not.In today’s world even yesterday’s players are more than legends, they’re brands. So with that in mind, it seems unlikely that anyone would be willing to risk his brand to endorse the use of non-conforming clubs (for recreational play, of course).

While just under 70% say it wouldn’t matter one way or another, the 8% who might be swayed are well-outnumbered by the almost 23% who told us they’d probably think less of any professional golfer who suggests non-conforming clubs might not be that bad.It’s the sort of thing that can damage a reputation, which is exactly manufactures would likely find themselves navigating the waters of non-conformity with little if any help from their professional staffers and brand ambassadors. Additional PerspectiveIt’s important to remember that we, the obsessive gearheads, are the minority here. While these results may reflect the thoughts of the avid (and well-connected) golfer, my suspicion is that the majority of golfers, most of whom fit nicely in the recreational category, are likely much more receptive to the idea of non-conforming clubs. Companies like have already carved out a niche for themselves in the non-conforming space, and I’d wager that a growing number of smaller companies will join them.The debate is far from over.At some point there may be enough money spent on non-conforming clubs that a major player will put profits over the USGA.

When that happens others will surely follow. Tony is the Editor of MyGolfSpy where his job is to bring fresh and innovative content to the site.In addition to his editorial responsibilities, he was instrumental in developing MyGolfSpy's data-driven testing methodologies and continues to sift through our data to find the insights that can help improve your game.Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them.Most of all Tony believes in performance over hype and #PowerToThePlayer. Most amateurs can’t break 100 on eighteen rounds. It’s more a matter of being on the fairway. Better to be short on the fairway than long in the rough. That is probably the reason non conforming clubs don’t sell.However it is a free country, and you should be able to buy what you want.

The idea of being a purist is long gone. A driver that is 400cc plus in size is already an abomination. You can’t even compare the old and new records anymore. So I’m not sure how someone can be so snooty about being a purist and pull a 460cc titanium driver out of his bag. I suppose he uses that legal monstrosity to make the game easier and more enjoyable.

He just doesn’t want the game to be too enjoyable? I’m just not seeing the logic. I suppose there is such a thing as lukewarm idealism? The game is being protected by “already compromised” idealists kinda comical. I remember when I bought my 1st Taylor Made Pittsburg Persimmon wood, everyone was saying that the game was lost and compromised. Well, the metal wood, cavity back irons and other innovations have greatly enhanced the popularity of golf.

What are we worried about, the game becoming too easy? We are already compromised.I long for the days when we played with forged muscle back irons, persimmon woods, and I was the only one who could break 90.

The good thing was the course wasn’t crowded, tee times were easy to get and golf just wasn’t that popular. Well too late. The purists have already compromised themselves looooong ago. Seems like they are just trying to recapture their lost virtue. The graphite infused, titanium cup face, adjustable everything clubs of today are much easier to play than the old persimmon head with metal sole and screw face, steel shafted drivers from the mid1980’s. Putter, wedge, iron, hybrids, fairway woods, and ball Technology have all made the game easier – although the average handicap index number hasn’t changed much.

Has the game that we love rubbed off on the rest of the population that much more since these revelations? I don’t think the% of people playing today is higher than it was in the mid 80’s. Why would cheater clubs alter this paradigm?Let’s make the golf hole 56″ in diameter and install nets along the side of each fairway (kinda like bowling with gutter guards). This too will make the game easier, lower scores, and attract more people to our sport (sarcasm). I think I agree with the majority here I dont care what others use and if they are using NC clubs to cheat, they are probably the ones putting chap-stick on their drivers and using foot wedges anyways.I want to see what people say to this:I have always said it would be fun to see all of the tour pro’s use the same equipment put whatever name on them you want, but essentially have them all using true blade irons to spec, blade putter, all woods to spec, the same ball, etc.

I would be ok with using lead tape / weighting and using whatever grip you prefer, but they are essentially all using the same stuff.What does everyone think about that? Up front I will say that I would not use NC clubs personally for many of the reasons already stated. However, I offer a comment I do not believe has been made. Say a man uses a NC club that helps his game and reduces his Index by 3 strokes from 13 to 10.Scenario A: I play a handicapped match against him and he uses the NC club. He is playing with an Index based on his ability using that NC club so all is even.Scenario B: He enters a handicapped tournament where the club is noticed and dis-allowed. He plays at a disadvantage using a conforming club that he cannot play “to his cap” with. If they do not notice then, see scenario A.Scenario C: He plays in a gross score tournament or match.

Now if he gets away with using the NC club he has an unfair advantage, i.e. He is inflating his ability relative to conforming club use.Scenario D: Someone uses a conforming club to develop their Index and then deliberately brings out an NC club just to play a handicapped match or a tournament. This guy is a cheat and will find a way to cheat regardless of the rules, e.g.

Foot wedge, pocket ball drop, or just by “Index Padding”. If some sad person really wanted to do this to get an advantage in handicapped matches then it could be done with conforming clubs, e.g. Use a persimmon driver while developing your Index and then bring out a conforming titanium driver for matches. This is why the USGA allows for an Index to be “adjusted” when tournament scores are “out of wack” with non-tournament scores.So bottom line, as long as the NC club is the persons “gamer” and was used to develop their Index and as long as is not used for gross score tournaments (not many people play in those) then does it really matter.Personally I support Bifurcation. Open the rules up somewhat and then professional tournaments and associations can choose to ban certain clubs if they wish.

DJB – your analysis of the various situation is spot on. There is no need for the USGA to bifurcate their rules, that would be like the NFL bifurcating their rules so High School football could be played under the jurisdiction of the NFL. The US Recreational Golf Association (USRGA) has a set of rules that reflect how recreational golfers play golf. Shortly the USRGA will have a handicap system for recreational golfers. Golfers who play according to the USGA rules, need a USGA handicap.

The golfers who play according to the USRGA rules can have a USRGA handicap. No reason you can’t have two handicaps. In fact, a person with a USRGA handicap can play against a person with a USGA handicap, each plays to his rules and they play off their handicaps. I’ve done it (my USRGA handicap is 10 strokes lower because I use an anti-slice ball) with friends and it works fine. Fsx addons freeware. SO people with and without recreational golf equipment can play together and compete – this is actually one of the oldest traditions of the game because many year ago, before equipment standards were in place, a person’s handicap reflected his innate talent and the advantage provided by his equipment.Enjoy the Game!Check out the USRGA rules at. The challenge is what does “non-conforming” mean as in what is getting “better” is it Longer (the normal promise), non-conforming grooves for more short game spin?

There are lots of ways to play ‘non-conforming’ or soon to be non-conforming (belly-putter). And you can by non-conforming golf balls.What I wonder is the answer to question 1.

Partly because what do you think non-conforming will do for you. If it is just hit the ball fartherthen enjoy your game more now and quit playing off the back tees all the time. If you will swallow your pride to hit a non-conforming driver, swallow it now and play from the white or red tees.

You will enjoy the game more, you will drive the ball to the location it is meant to be at, Tee It Forward ( I love courses that aid with this) and the ones that have family Tees etc.And spend more time practicing your short game.ie eat your veggies 🙂. Men will not play non-conforming clubs (generally speaking). How do I know? If they won’t move in from the blue tees (where many can barely reach the fairway), they won’t play a NC club. For these men, NC clubs will impinge as much on their masculinity as playing the “ladies’ tees”.Women might play NC clubs. I say that for two reasons: 1) Women are generally out to maximize their fun, not to prove something.

2) NC clubs may actually be closer to appropriate than the sorry choices that pass for “women’s clubs”. Non-conforming gear could be categorized and integrated into existing constructs, and would/should be clearly indicated for handicaps, casual play and tournament play.Simply ID standards in a hierarchy. We already do that to a degree with golf courses and tee boxes. By creating categories, we’d also have to re-categorized handicap equations. Sample:Level 1. USGA approved for all competition and handicap matrix(s)Level 2.

USGA limited non-conforming status including usage of: belly putter, enhanced COR variables and (fill in the blank)Level 3. USGA complete non-coforming status (anything goes).Most golfers would stay at Level 1; Some would prefer Level 2; Corporate tournaments would likely be Level 3. I’m an outlierand, I would guess, selfish. I’m not interested in accomodating people who think golf is too difficult.

I’m fine with limiting the spring effect, ball specs, belly puttersI’d much rather be a part of a smaller group of golfers who embrace the challenge, rules and etiquette (including pace), than a larger group that desire an easier path to improvement.At the same time it doesn’t seem right that you should give up copper: (I’m still upset about the 3-point shot in basketball and the designated hitter in baseball. Maybe I’m old fashioned but from my perspective any sport or game have rules. I always believed that there are rules and regulations in place for a reason and I abide by them. In golf, there are many, and sometimes confusing, rules in place that are part of the game. They stipulate the way the game is to be played and what equipment is allowable.

This is supposed to make an even playing field for everyone. When the rules allow non-conforming equipment, and I hope they never do, new standards would have to be adopted to allow for it. Players who use non-conforming clubs and/or balls can justify their scores all they want, but to me, they’re just kidding themselves. Let’s start pitching underhand in Pro Baseball.

Lower the basket to 8 feet in Pro Basketball. Start using flags in Pro Football. Make the goal about 20 feet wider in Pro Soccer. I can keep going. I say stay with tradition and if you want NC clubs then form your own group and play.

Sort of like the Frisbee golf people. The Super Improvement equipment is just fine for beginners and the hole doesn’t need to be enlarged. NC clubs are not going to help you when your hitting it to the right unless you understand why (coming over the top is one cause). You need to read, watch videos on YouTube, golf on TV or a couple of lessons if you an afford them to learn the swing and then work on the one that’s best for you. Then practice and play when you can. I know work and a family take up a lot of time but, if your serious get out as much as you can.

I took 2 lessons to learn grip, stance, etc. Since then I just practice when I can and play as much as I can. I also play my game, not always what the Pro’s play since they practice every day because it’s their job. I average in the mid to upper 80’s and have been playing for over 30 years. When I wasn’t 63 as now, I could shoot in the upper 70’s and low 80’s. I guess you have figured out by now, I don’t want the game fooled with or tricked up.

It’s suppose to be a challenge just like hitting a round ball with a round bat. Yup.I said same thing. I’d take the implication out of Senior, Recreational, etc. And simply ID standards in a hierarchy. We already do that to a degree with golf courses and tee boxes.By creating categories, we’d also have to re-categorized handicap equations.

Sample:Level 1. USGA approved for all competition and handicap matrix(s)Level 2. USGA limited non-conforming status including usage of: belly putter, enhanced COR variables and (fill in the blank)Level 3. USGA complete non-coforming status (anything goes). Who is pushing the non-conforming clubs agenda? Manufacturers i am guessing because they know that quite a large number of existing golfers will buy the stuff because that’s what we do whilst maskerading under the “growing the game” bsSuspect the debate is about how much short term custom said manufacturer will lose but expect a “no limits” national competition to be launched in tandem with a PR drive to paint the current rules as being archaic and irrelevant.

New golfers will try it – realise it still requires a modicum of talent and effort before quitting because “they weren’t that interested in golf anyway”. Meanwhile share Company x keeps it’s profits going by forcing every golfshop to stock 2 lineups of clubs. I’m a good golfer played 40 yearsI couldn’t careless what you usethis game is about skill, especially the short gameit takes 1000s of hours practicing. Chips, pitches and puttingyou have to play.every shot. In my opinion non conforming clubs have little effect on your score.

Or the intergrity of the game,From my experience, most golfers don’t know the rules and do not abide by thembut using a non conforming club, that’s cheating,. Give me a break,play golf, enjoy this wonderfull gift. An outside game, played on green grassWith friends.How lucky we are to share these moments.

Sometimes it takes alongtime to play again. Life gets in the way. Matt1 day, 5 hrs agoMy big takeaway is this: why do so many people care what someone else is using on the course?————–Because golf is a difficult game, and many have paid their dues. So logically, and selfishly, we want to measure our game against another based on equal ground.Say A long time golfer is a flipper and hit his driver 200 yards and through hard work he finally corrected his swing and hits hit straight 230. Then along comes a new golfer with little experience or skills but gets the same results using a NC driver.Although the new golfer is likely to shank his approach and 3-putt most of the holes and shoot 30 extra stokes than the long time golfer, our psyche still focuses on the small stuff and misses the big picture. No issue for me – even if I get 30 extra yards from an illegal driver I still need to actually control the extra distance, keep it in the fairway, hit a good approch, and make the putt.Maybe for the elite competition it would make a difference, but as recreational golfers I’d say whosever equipment that helps make the game more enjoyable then do it.

I personally wouldn’t use illegal clubs as I want a true measure of my skils, but not everyone have the same objectives.As a side note, there is a good chance we are already playing illegal equipment from OEM since tolerances are all over the place! OEMs do not test each club for max COR – only tour issues clubs gets individually measure for exact specifications. I have no problem with NC clubs, but I think it’s misguided to look to NC clubs as a way to provide a real, tangible effect on player participation. Golf might be incrementally easier if you hit a driver 250 vs 230, but it’s still going to be hard – no club will fix a poor ball strike or poor swing mechanics. Frankly, if I’m a person who’s not good at golf and and probably struggling with a slice off the tee, I’d rather hit a drive 230 into the trees instead of 250 into someones backyard bbq pit!

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I wouldn’t go out and by a set of NC clubs just because a major mfg put them out. I would wait a few years until they were used well, and then buy them. People like my wife and myself play once a week, at a local course, play 9 holes just for fun. We don’t buy the latest and greatest, My driver is a used R11 I got last month from EBay, replacing my R9. My wife bought a new old stock Cobra, because she liked the color.Maybe this makes us strange, but a lot of golfers are like us, We don’t care about NC or belly putters or any of that. We just play to have fun.

I’m with you completely. I love golf, I don’t compete. I don’t have an official handicap, haven’t done for the 15 years I’ve been playing golf. I can shoot high 70’s low 80’s, it’s only for my record.

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I hit a 7 iron 135, with a driver swing of 95 mph, why wouldn’t I want golf clubs that make the game more fun for my rounds?(BTW, my bag is fully custom fit to eke out every last yard.)Maybe a question should’ve beenhow many golfers actually compete and have to comply with the rules of golf equipment? Nobody has quantified what NC clubs will do for new golfers or even high HCP recreational golfers. Until they can do that with some data to support the idea that they will actually help players, there will always be skepticism. Yes, golf is hard. Everyone says that, but will it actually be any easier with NC clubs? I don’t think so, at least not measurably.How many yards will a NC driver give you?

The extra yards don’t really matter if I can’t hit a decent second shot anyway. Will that driver allow me to hit every fairway? So now I am in the rough or worse, just a few yards closer to the green.

Can I get it on the green? Sure, if I can have a NC iron that flies out of the rough high and straight, the correct yardage, and lands soft. Not gonna happen with the newbie and high HCP golfer. Nobody has even said anything about NC irons that seems like a disaster waiting to happen because. If anything, irons have to be consistent.A friend of mine bought a NC driver a couple of years ago off eBay and let me hit it. Did it go further?

Yeah, maybe a few yards, but only because I normally hit it pretty straight. Would it make much of a difference in my score? I am guessing not much; maybe a shot or two on some shorter holes IF I make a decent approach shot.So what do NC clubs really give players looking to get into the golf? The promise of a better game that they will eventually find out is a lie. The club will end up in the garage or eBay, and the only people that profited from it are the OEMs that sold it. Golf is for people that enjoy a challenge and see it as an opportunity to achieve goals, all while having fun playing with family and friends.

It becomes more than that if you are good enough, just like any other sport. NC clubs in a competition is cheating.If the average amateur wants to use his/her NC driver or other NC gear for their enjoyment, finebut they should be clear about it with those they play with, it makes a difference in performance–or they wouldn’t do it.I also believe there is already more non-conforming score keeping than there is NC gear.

I’ve given plenty of mulligans to buddies running up to the tee box because they were late (traffic, work, kids, etc.) and/or no warm up. As long as your ‘group’ all play by the same rules consistently.Golf, as much or more than any other sport, is a game of rules, regulations and abiding standards. If you need to consistently ‘bend’ the rules, it might not be the right sport for you. NC clubs discussion is based on golf being ‘too difficult’.It isn’texpectations are simply misalligned. I had as much enjoyment, if not more, when I shot in the 100s, breaking into 90s was fantastic. Now in the low 80s and the occasional 70s is the thrill.The bigger challenge is time (investing in playing a round and practicing) and the ‘variance’ in on-course skill levels. It’s the only sports activity that have first time players and scratch golfers playing on the same ‘feild’ at the same time–that’s where the frustration emerges.I think the idea of Non-conforming is wholly wrongif we want golf to accomodate greater variants in equipment we should simply tier them with identifiable levels that maintains an observable standard ‘levels’ structure.

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Example:Level 1 Golfer: adheres to current equipment standards (level 1) set by the USGALevel 2 Golfer: adheres to equipment game-improvement Level 2 standardsLevel 3 Golfer: etc.This should be identifiable on equipment and reflected in posted scores and handicaps. I believe that the use of NC equipment has been mistakenly characterized as a choice between “competitive” vs “recreational” golf. In my opinion, the use of NC equipment represents a decision to play a game other than golf.

Seven foot tall basketball hoops, bumpers filling the gutters on bowling lanes, use of a Harley instead of a Trek while “biking” all might be enjoyable but would you be playing a game of basketball, etc.? When we tee off with mortars and putt between bumpers into a 15 inch cup, will we be playing golf? I feel its a good way to start out golfing and then graduating to better clubs such as Game Improvements and maybe one day Players irons, but for the most part if you are going to invest in the challenge that is golf, take up the challenge and use the NC’s as a platform and progress to the next level of irons. IMO, I feel that by making the hole larger and clubs “NC” we are “dumbing” the game down and taking away from the challenge, but at the same time I get trying to grow the game and not make it intimidating for first timers.